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I don't post very often, but I am a longtime lurker here and would like to ask a favor of the people on this forum who are atheists/agnostics/freethinkers/etc. My friend and I are headed off to college this coming fall and we decided that we wanted to start an atheist activist group. We have big dreams and high hopes for this and couldn't wait to get started, so we are beginning it now, in hopes of maybe gaining a few supporters before we even set foot on our college campus. It is called the Atheist Activist Alliance. Our first step was starting a blog at a3movement.wordpress.com. We only have one post so far, but we plan to keep it active. We also plan on starting a Facebook/twitter/etc eventually, but we wanted to kind of test the waters first with our blog. Anyone that thinks they could associate themselves with an atheist activist group should really check this out. Thanks for reading and any feedback, whether here or on the blog, will be greatly appreciated. You could also email us at [email protected]. Thanks again!
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Opinion coming up, so don't feel offended.

To me, atheists are just as annoying as anyone of hardcore faith in whatever. Humans get so bent out of shape over the little details of religion/ lack of, they fail to realize that all beliefs teach us to tolerate one another.

I was raised catholic, and while I believe some of the teachings in the bible about being kind to one another, I fail to see that there is a deity that shaped my destiny before I was born. That just seems weird to me, I'll live my life and whatever happens, happens.

Don't know if that's what you were looking for, but I guess I'm saying spending time on organized religion/ lack of is dumb.
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2712 wrote:Opinion coming up, so don't feel offended.

Humans get so bent out of shape over the little details of religion/ lack of, they fail to realize that all beliefs teach us to tolerate one another.
I appreciate your reply and am not offended by it, but I must tell you that you are wrong in the above quote. I'm not even entirely sure how you can even get that idea. It's obvious just by looking at the world that religion is rarely tolerant. If it is so tolerant, why is the middle east constantly involved in religious wars? Why do Christians attempt to outlaw gay marriage if they are so tolerant? I could go on and on and on.....and on about how religion is anything but tolerant. If you want more examples, I could write a book for you. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion is right. No offense. I get that you don't like to get involved, a lot of people think that way. I can't say I agree, but that's your opinion. But the part about religion being tolerant is entirely wrong and common sense observations can prove that.

Also some additional information about the group:
It is NOT an activist group to convince people to be atheists. It is a group trying to break the stereotype of the evil atheist that is so prevelant in America where I live. It is also to help get people that are atheists more involved in government, because in America, you can't even get elected to office without being a "Christian". The Atheist Activist Alliance will have many purposes, but it is not to try and make all people atheists.
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2712 wrote:Opinion coming up, so don't feel offended.

To me, atheists are just as annoying as anyone of hardcore faith in whatever. Humans get so bent out of shape over the little details of religion/ lack of, they fail to realize that all beliefs teach us to tolerate one another.

I was raised catholic, and while I believe some of the teachings in the bible about being kind to one another, I fail to see that there is a deity that shaped my destiny before I was born. That just seems weird to me, I'll live my life and whatever happens, happens.

Don't know if that's what you were looking for, but I guess I'm saying spending time on organized religion/ lack of is dumb.
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2712 wrote:Opinion coming up, so don't feel offended.

Humans get so bent out of shape over the little details of religion/ lack of, they fail to realize that all beliefs teach us to tolerate one another.
I appreciate your reply and am not offended by it, but I must tell you that you are wrong in the above quote. I'm not even entirely sure how you can even get that idea. It's obvious just by looking at the world that religion is rarely tolerant. If it is so tolerant, why is the middle east constantly involved in religious wars? Why do Christians attempt to outlaw gay marriage if they are so tolerant? I could go on and on and on.....and on about how religion is anything but tolerant. If you want more examples, I could write a book for you. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion is right. No offense. I get that you don't like to get involved, a lot of people think that way. I can't say I agree, but that's your opinion. But the part about religion being tolerant is entirely wrong and common sense observations can prove that.

Also some additional information about the group:
It is NOT an activist group to convince people to be atheists. It is a group trying to break the stereotype of the evil atheist that is so prevelant in America where I live. It is also to help get people that are atheists more involved in government, because in America, you can't even get elected to office without being a "Christian". The Atheist Activist Alliance will have many purposes, but it is not to try and make all people atheists.
My friend I do not want to start a debate but every religion has those who go against what they are suppose to believe. Not all Christians are against gay marriage, I for am not. And those people allow other to label them giving them a bad name even everyone is different and has their own belief. Religious is about treating another equal, not judging, and to be forgiving, because no one should be judge, everyone changes. I could go on.....
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You get the idea to treat everyone equally by being a rational human being, not because of your religion. By saying that you support gay marriage, you are actually going against your own Christian doctrines.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

You treat people right because it is right, rational, and logical and you're a good human being. Not because your bible tells you to do so.

Also: If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
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I'm interested in this "alliance", even though that kinda makes it sound like some socialist party or something, haha. But i feel like it hates a little bit on Christianity and religion as a whole. Even though I do not consider myself part of any religion, I believe that its important to respect everyone else's beliefs regardless of personal opinions, and that should be important to this group for you guys to reach social acceptance.

Also, if you submit this idea to http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism , it may catch on and it currently has 638,142 subscribers for you to reach out to.

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That is true and a good point, but also it says to treat everyone equal and going against gay marriage is not treating everyone equal, every religion has it's faults as well as what's in the Bible. I think the best religion is try your best to be a good person and do the right thing.But it is important to respect everyone's views. But back to topic.... :winkwink:
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SickofEveryone wrote:That is true and a good point, but also it says to treat everyone equal and going against gay marriage is not treating everyone equal, every religion has it's faults as well as what's in the Bible. I think the best religion is try your best to be a good person and do the right thing. But back to topic.... :winkwink:
That would mean that the bible is self conflicting so why even follow it? You can't just cherry pick the happy bits. You just admitted that being a good person and doing what is right is the best course of action. Religion is not needed in order to accomplish that. That point is very much what the Atheist Activist Alliance is about. Encouraging people to do the right thing because we can rationally figure out what is best.
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Resident Skumfuk wrote:I'm interested in this "alliance", even though that kinda makes it sound like some socialist party or something, haha. But i feel like it hates a little bit on Christianity and religion as a whole. Even though I do not consider myself part of any religion, I believe that its important to respect everyone else's beliefs regardless of personal opinions, and that should be important to this group for you guys to reach social acceptance.

Also, if you submit this idea to http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism , it may catch on and it currently has 638,142 subscribers for you to reach out to.

Best of luck!
Thanks for the advice. We probably will bring this to r/atheism sometime soon. I am also glad that you are interested. If you email us at [email protected], I can easily keep you up to date. Or just follow our blog. And btw, we are very critical of all religion, but since my friend and I live in America, we see Christianity more than any other religion so it is easy to focus on it. We do not hate them though. We are just disgusted by the hate the abrahamic faiths spread. We hate ignorance and denial of science and facts, but we do not hate the people themselves.
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Yes, but I believe in God, and Heaven and Hell. I don't tell you what to do with your beliefs, so I will do what I believe in with mine.
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I'm not telling you what to do with your beliefs. I'm just saying logically, they don't make sense.
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IvanzZ wrote:
2712 wrote:Opinion coming up, so don't feel offended.

Humans get so bent out of shape over the little details of religion/ lack of, they fail to realize that all beliefs teach us to tolerate one another.
I appreciate your reply and am not offended by it, but I must tell you that you are wrong in the above quote. I'm not even entirely sure how you can even get that idea. It's obvious just by looking at the world that religion is rarely tolerant. If it is so tolerant, why is the middle east constantly involved in religious wars? Why do Christians attempt to outlaw gay marriage if they are so tolerant? I could go on and on and on.....and on about how religion is anything but tolerant.
what is taught and what is done is two completely different things. every major religion has a "golden rule" and they all basically say "treat others as you'd want to be treated". i could go out and find proof of this, but i know it to be true. Obviously there are extremists that think what they believe is right and everyone else should die, but those people are just stupid. they were born stupid and their religion didn't make them stupid.
IvanzZ wrote:I'm not telling you what to do with your beliefs. I'm just saying logically, they don't make sense.
and this is why atheists are (generally) assholes.

why does it matter to you if her beliefs don't make any sense? thats your opinion. it makes you no better than someone in the Westboro Babtist Church saying that God hates Fags.

why can't we all just tolerate each other for who we are?
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I understand that what is taught isn't always what is done, but why in the hell would an "all-powerful god" say love your neighbor as yourself, but then in the same holy book say to kill pretty much anyone that doesn't follow him. You can't have it both ways. If you wanna follow one, you gotta follow the other or your just picking and choosing.

And Im not trying to be an asshole and btw most atheists are not assholes, they are just fed up with the fact that religion is illogical, yet somehow manages to practically rule the united states. It also holds back science and progress in our modern society. It is detrimental and no longer needed. People are capable of doing good without feeling compelled to credit their goodness to an invisible supernatural being.

I'm not saying that she needs to abandon her beliefs. And I'm sorry, but words on the Internet are far from intolerant. It's not like I was saying she should be harmed or anything. This is just a debate meant to make people examine more closely what they believe.
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If a religious person blows something up/hurts someone/incites hate for their beliefs, they are referred to as militant, all an Atheist has to do to get this title is argue in a completely non violent way against religion. Something seems ever so slightly unjust about this.
I also had the thought when I became an Atheist that if people can choose which bits are good or bad in the bible, then they already have a moral compass and so the bible (or any other holy book) is not responsible for teaching morality.
Also Zack, I must say you argue your points beautifully :glad: Have you seen The Atheist Experience? I not, sincerely recommend it.
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I'm an Agnostic, but I have to say that I really dislike the way Atheists go out of the way to show they're Atheists, in the same way that Christians often do. I'm not talking about the religion of hundreds of years ago, where was was said in the Bible or Qur'an was taken literally. These days, I'd say around 80% of people following such beliefs themselves believe fully in science and acknowledge the doubtfulness of the existence of a necessary being. These people follow their respective religions to follow moral guidelines and find a sense of purpose in life, and actually have the common sense to 'cherry-pick' things from their texts, leaving out the stuff the majority acknowledges as rubbish. Having been going to church for three years I should know this. Yes, you do get the occasional religious nutcase who believes unquestionably in every word of their religion's text and try and push their religion upon other people (I know a couple) but Atheists are the same. I'm not saying I don't believe in the scientific conception of the universe, because you'd have to be one of these idiotic religious extremists not to, but I do think that there many Atheists who make a distinct point about being Atheists, and these are just as bad. In modern society, the only thing separating devout Christians/Muslims and devout Atheists is the violence, which happens very rarely in nowadays. Religion used to be the driving force behind wars which shaped history hundreds of years ago (the crusades being the finest example), but recently, with the emergence of Atheism, natural resources and politics have become more prominent factors, which just goes to show that conflict is within man's nature and not in religion's. The point I'm getting at is that, in my opinion, devout Atheists are just as bad as devout Theists. More regular Atheists or Theists have chosen to be that way largely out of curiosity for science, in the former's case, or desire for moral structure, in the latter's case. That's why I'm Agnostic. Because I'm completely open to all beliefs which function as self-beneficial.

But if you want to start a blog about how religion is wrong, don't let me stop you.
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even if you would believe in god ... wich is a good thing to do i guess ... i think it's completely dumb to believe in religions, wich are based on books like the bible etc. ... cause there are so many things that are wrong and self conflicted in there that it makes it ridicoulus to believe in it .... i mean believers are told in mark 16:17-18 that they can drink "any deadly thing" and "it shall not hurt” them. ... seriously ??? have a shot then ... it's so obvious that there are a lot of wrong passages in there so how could you believe in it ?
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I've got to admit, I'm an atheist but I don't go around telling everyone. Religion or faith is a life choice, why should I tell people how to live their life. I am always perfectly honest, I don't like most religions but I wouldn't have a go at someone for being part of it because that is what they believe, some of my best friends are religious and not once have we had an argument about the subject.

Because of this, I cannot endorse what you are doing.
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Ardi41 wrote:even if you would believe in god ... wich is a good thing to do i guess ... i think it's completely dumb to believe in religions, wich are based on books like the bible etc. ... cause there are so many things that are wrong and self conflicted in there that it makes it ridicoulus to believe in it .... i mean believers are told in mark 16:17-18 that they can drink "any deadly thing" and "it shall not hurt” them. ... seriously ??? have a shot then ... it's so obvious that there are a lot of wrong passages in there so how could you believe in it ?
This is completely wrong. Most people nowadays who follow religions do not necessarily believe in a deity but follow their religious texts for moral guidelines. I challenge you to give me one example within the past century where a man has been subject to public stoning for sleeping with another man, outside the middle-east (which is a different story entirely). Modern society isn't as stupid as you think it is. People have common sense; nobody follows the extremist rules set down thousands of years ago any more. This is the Atheist argument I hate the most - that religious texts have rules which are extreme or irrelevant in modern society, therefore religion cannot be used as a moral guideline. Using this argument just proves your ignorance.
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Gregorovich wrote:
Ardi41 wrote:even if you would believe in god ... wich is a good thing to do i guess ... i think it's completely dumb to believe in religions, wich are based on books like the bible etc. ... cause there are so many things that are wrong and self conflicted in there that it makes it ridicoulus to believe in it .... i mean believers are told in mark 16:17-18 that they can drink "any deadly thing" and "it shall not hurt” them. ... seriously ??? have a shot then ... it's so obvious that there are a lot of wrong passages in there so how could you believe in it ?
This is completely wrong. Most people nowadays who follow religions do not necessarily believe in a deity but follow their religious texts for moral guidelines. I challenge you to give me one example within the past century where a man has been subject to public stoning for sleeping with another man, outside the middle-east (which is a different story entirely). Modern society isn't as stupid as you think it is. People have common sense; nobody follows the extremist rules set down thousands of years ago any more. This is the Atheist argument I hate the most - that religious texts have rules which are extreme or irrelevant in modern society, therefore religion cannot be used as a moral guideline. Using this argument just proves your ignorance.
i just dont see the point in saying you're a christian , but you don't follow the rules written in the bible ...it is foolish to just pick up the lines in the bible that you think are good , cause the fact that there is a lot of wrong stuff written proves the whole bible wrong cause it is the word of god and god doesn't make any mistakes ... and i also think there's no need to use religion as a moral guideline .. i mean you should be able to figure these moral rules out by yourself ...i don't need any religion to tell me what to do and what not , the fact that you had to have those rules written down in a book , and you couldn't figure out by yourself that you couldn't steal and murder etc. ... :suicide:

I'm not trying to tell people that they should stop to believe or something ... i mean they have the right to believe in whatever they want ... I'm just saying why this whole thing doesn't make any sense in my eyes ..
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