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NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:36 am
by Shiv
so whats the deal with these hockey trades

i gotta say i was pessimistic about toronto's trades, but now i'm seeing a white light at the end of the tunnel.
rangers pick up olli jokienin and prust for kotalik and higgins
kovalchuck is still out there

thoughts?

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:54 am
by Dylan
Ewwww... Toronto...

Honestly though, Toronto has no good sports teams anymore. Argonauts suck, Raptors suck, Blue Jays suck, Leafs suck...

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:08 pm
by patenttiftw
good thing for hagman, atleast.
nobody should play in a shitty team like toronto.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:29 pm
by TomiT14
The Jokinen trade isn't made yet. Waiting for Kotalik's approval, who has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Yesterday was a shock for me. Phaneuf was said to be the franchise player in Calgary, so I didn't think he would be traded any time soon.
Also, sad to see Giggy leaving Ducks. Yes, he was stuck in the backup role, but I considered him a face of the franchise along with Getzalf, Perry and Selanne. I hope he will get the starting role in T.O., otherwise this trade was useless.

But the fact that these trades happened more than a month before the trade deadline gets me surprised.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:10 pm
by Shiv
TomiT14 wrote:The Jokinen trade isn't made yet. Waiting for Kotalik's approval, who has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Yesterday was a shock for me. Phaneuf was said to be the franchise player in Calgary, so I didn't think he would be traded any time soon.
Also, sad to see Giggy leaving Ducks. Yes, he was stuck in the backup role, but I considered him a face of the franchise along with Getzalf, Perry and Selanne. I hope he will get the starting role in T.O., otherwise this trade was useless.

But the fact that these trades happened more than a month before the trade deadline gets me surprised.
i know right?
im surprised that these trades keep on happening!
i'm expecting HUGE changes for many teams, including the oilers, rangers, leafs, and calgary, possibly atlanta

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:36 pm
by Laxman 41
Yeah I'm thinking Edmonton is going to have a fire sale and I really think Kovalchuck will be for sale.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:38 pm
by Laxman 41
Yeah I'm thinking Edmonton is going to have a fire sale and I really think Kovalchuck will be for sale.

My bad...double post

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:29 am
by Bobbyjames
I don't understand all this trade shit.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:25 pm
by TomiT14
Classless move by Sutter.
First he called the trade off, then Flames lost to Philly, and right after the game the trade was announced.

What an ass. Give the players some respect!

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:21 pm
by Bobbyjames
is this just teams buying players off other teams?

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:51 pm
by TomiT14
bobbyjames wrote:is this just teams buying players off other teams?
In NHL hockey, "buying" is not allowed, so no money transfers.
Only players and draft picks are involved. And they have to do it so the player salaries fit under the salary cap.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:37 pm
by Bobbyjames
what are the draft picks? is it just a list of players who are up for been traded?

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:41 pm
by Jake-41
Not at all. It's the rights you have to select a player from college. You can trade the rights, and that team can use them to select a player of their choice.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:24 pm
by Bobbyjames
our transfer window is much more fun.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:51 pm
by Jake-41
How does most sports in England get new players in their leagues, and on their teams..?

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:09 pm
by Bobbyjames
buy them. unless the player is out of contract, then they are free. that's how football works accross Europe.

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:19 pm
by Jake-41
They give them a new contract, right?

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:22 pm
by Shiv
TomiT14 wrote:Classless move by Sutter.
First he called the trade off, then Flames lost to Philly, and right after the game the trade was announced.

What an ass. Give the players some respect!
bear in mind it might've been a ntc by kotalik, thats why the trade wasnt going through

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:01 pm
by TomiT14
Shiv wrote:
TomiT14 wrote:Classless move by Sutter.
First he called the trade off, then Flames lost to Philly, and right after the game the trade was announced.

What an ass. Give the players some respect!
bear in mind it might've been a ntc by kotalik, thats why the trade wasnt going through
According to the sources, Kotalik gave it an OK, but Sutter backed up, since if he made the deal, the Flames' roster would've missed two players for the night's game. New guys wouldn't have made it to the game, and no call-ups wouldn't have been allowed by that time anymore.

So Sutter declined, said that the trade was just a rumour, let Jokinen and Prust play the game, and kicked them out immediately after the game. Just like OJ said, "a slap in the face".

Re: NHL Trades

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:10 pm
by Bobbyjames
Jake-41 wrote:They give them a new contract, right?
yea, each player will be contracted to the club they play for. there will be hundreds of different clauses and conditions in that contract. another club can buy the contracted player if both clubs involved, and the player and their agent, agrees to the deal and valuation of the player.

if a player comes to the end of their contract, their club may offer them a new contract, if not or they reject it, the club will release them, so he is a free player with no club. he can then be offered contracts by any other team (bearing in my countries/state laws) and he can basically choose who he plays for if he agrees to personal terms.

just tell me if I'm rambling!