Finish Album

[peacock41]

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good to see some work getting done

[stevie486]

sweet
an yep definatly

[peacock41]

and really does look like tom will be involved in writing after all

[samueeL]

well not actually writing, but he's part of arguing about guitar parts!

[Shiv]

and really does look like tom will be involved in writing after all

i doubt hes gonna have a major part, but he is going to influence the guitar parts and solos probably

[Hentaiman]

With Tom involved, and the fact they stop touring this year to work on the album, sounds good to me

[spider-man]

wow it's only half way witten? ouch.......might be awhile. ok really though, if he had outdown all those great songs that were going to be on the EP and stuff, GIVE THEM TO US!!!! online or something, it's not going on the album anyway so why waste it? let us have something now!

[peacock41]

i really want to have somthing to get exited

i dont think it will be out will next year

[phatass]

Cant wait for this new sum sound.

[TomiT14]

wow it's only half way witten? ouch.......might be awhile. ok really though, if he had outdown all those great songs that were going to be on the EP and stuff, GIVE THEM TO US!!!! online or something, it's not going on the album anyway so why waste it? let us have something now!

Exactly! Why not release the EP as it was meant to be, even if only as an online release?

[Hentaiman]

Yeah they should release some digital EP or something with those songs Deryck was so excited before and now he's kinda not happy with them and writing over them more stuff... so half of it will not make it to the album anyway, but it could be on the EP ><

[Aaron]

wow it's only half way witten? ouch.......might be awhile. ok really though, if he had outdown all those great songs that were going to be on the EP and stuff, GIVE THEM TO US!!!! online or something, it's not going on the album anyway so why waste it? let us have something now!

Exactly! Why not release the EP as it was meant to be, even if only as an online release?

[Jeremy Kill]

Sounds good. Hopefully the parts battles will end with someone other than Deryck winning the argument!

[Susanne]

Cant wait for this new sum sound.

Me either.

And yeah they should release an EP online or not. They shouldn't just waste all those songs that aren't going to be on the album!

[Hentaiman]

Cant wait for this new sum sound.

Me either.

And yeah they should release an EP online or not. They shouldn't just waste all those songs that aren't going to be on the album!

Yeah exactly. And if not an EP, I want to see lots of b-sides on the new album. I mean, I see albums everyday that has tons of b-sides and here Deryck apparently done a lot of songs he's not using for the album anymore so we need those at least as b-sides. I look at albums like Daughtry's new one and its like... wow, 7 different bonus tracks!
While Billy Talent's new one has only 2 bonus tracks, and some demos. Same for the Sums, they never have much b-sides, if at all, which sucks. On the other hand, the UH b-sides were so bland and boring.

[TomiT14]

Yeah exactly. And if not an EP, I want to see lots of b-sides on the new album. I mean, I see albums everyday that has tons of b-sides and here Deryck apparently done a lot of songs he's not using for the album anymore so we need those at least as b-sides. I look at albums like Daughtry's new one and its like... wow, 7 different bonus tracks!
While Billy Talent's new one has only 2 bonus tracks, and some demos. Same for the Sums, they never have much b-sides, if at all, which sucks. On the other hand, the UH b-sides were so bland and boring.

I liked UH b-sides. They were good as bonus tracks, but didn't deserve to be on the album.

I highly doubt that those original EP songs would be b-sides of the new album. They are not completely different songs, they are just old versions of new songs.
How would have it sounded to have Subject To Change as a UH b-side?

That's why they should release the songs as an individual release. Otherwise they will be forgotten.

[Hentaiman]

Yeah exactly. And if not an EP, I want to see lots of b-sides on the new album. I mean, I see albums everyday that has tons of b-sides and here Deryck apparently done a lot of songs he's not using for the album anymore so we need those at least as b-sides. I look at albums like Daughtry's new one and its like... wow, 7 different bonus tracks!
While Billy Talent's new one has only 2 bonus tracks, and some demos. Same for the Sums, they never have much b-sides, if at all, which sucks. On the other hand, the UH b-sides were so bland and boring.

I liked UH b-sides. They were good as bonus tracks, but didn't deserve to be on the album.

I highly doubt that those original EP songs would be b-sides of the new album. They are not completely different songs, they are just old versions of new songs.
How would have it sounded to have Subject To Change as a UH b-side?

That's why they should release the songs as an individual release. Otherwise they will be forgotten.

Well, I don't think its the case, cuz Deryck talking about scrapping old stuff and just writing alot of new songs all over instead of all the ones he already wrote, so its not like demos of new songs or first stages and stuff.

Anyway, look for example at the new Billy Talent album b-sides. Those totally deserve to be on the album, so here's for good b-sides. The UH b-sides were boring and bland.

[TomiT14]

Well, I don't think its the case, cuz Deryck talking about scrapping old stuff and just writing alot of new songs all over instead of all the ones he already wrote, so its not like demos of new songs or first stages and stuff.

Deryck has said that all those 6 songs that were supposed to be released in the EP, he has explored them more and evolved them to better songs. So in other words, he used the 6 EP songs as a base, and now all of them have become better, but not necessarily totally different.

Subject To Change was a base to both Underclass Hero and No Reason. The similarity to No Reason wasn't that noticable, so it was a good add to Chuck B-sides.
So if those 6 EP songs have a same stage of similarity to the new songs then yeah, why not including them as new album b-sides. But if there are clear parts that have been re-used (e.g. Subject To Change chorus), then I don't see them being included as B-sides.

[Hentaiman]

Well, I don't think its the case, cuz Deryck talking about scrapping old stuff and just writing alot of new songs all over instead of all the ones he already wrote, so its not like demos of new songs or first stages and stuff.

Deryck has said that all those 6 songs that were supposed to be released in the EP, he has explored them more and evolved them to better songs. So in other words, he used the 6 EP songs as a base, and now all of them have become better, but not necessarily totally different.

Subject To Change was a base to both Underclass Hero and No Reason. The similarity to No Reason wasn't that noticable, so it was a good add to Chuck B-sides.
So if those 6 EP songs have a same stage of similarity to the new songs then yeah, why not including them as new album b-sides. But if there are clear parts that have been re-used (e.g. Subject To Change chorus), then I don't see them being included as B-sides.

I just don't remember Deryck talking about evolving the older songs into new stuff. Just remember him saying that he writes a lot more new songs that always the newer are better and he likes them better than the older stuff so he keeps writing and keeps scrapping old stuff. And those old stuff seemed like the best stuff ever from what he said in past blogs, so thats why he better release them in an EP or as b-sides, so they won't go to waste.