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Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

It could've started out as one song, but they might have decided it better to just separate them (or leave them separated) on the album somewhere between August and now.

Like Lex said, "Epic" started out as three songs from the EP anyway, so for it to go from separate songs into one song and back to separate songs again kind of makes sense if they want to make the songs more accessible to the listener (rather than fast forwarding through 7 or 8 minutes to get to your favorite part, for example).

@Lex, when you described "Epic" you said it repeated some parts near the beginning? Maybe like verses and choruses and then the rest of the song was bridge after bridge? I'm just wondering because if "Epic" is broken down to three songs, then a couple of those songs will have an odd arrangement, wouldn't they? Though if "Epic" did get broken down, it would make sense for the repeating parts in the beginning of "Epic" to not reappear at the end, otherwise you have two songs with the same parts.

Uh, I hope that made sense! I'm getting sick so my thoughts may not be in order.

Jeremy Kill wrote: @Lex, when you described "Epic" you said it repeated some parts near the beginning? Maybe like verses and choruses and then the rest of the song was bridge after bridge? I'm just wondering because if "Epic" is broken down to three songs, then a couple of those songs will have an odd arrangement, wouldn't they? Though if "Epic" did get broken down, it would make sense for the repeating parts in the beginning of "Epic" to not reappear at the end, otherwise you have two songs with the same parts.

THIS. BAMM! BLOWN WIDE OPEN!!!

Jeremy Kill wrote:Though if "Epic" did get broken down, it would make sense for the repeating parts in the beginning of "Epic" to not reappear at the end, otherwise you have two songs with the same parts.

Uh, I hope that made sense! I'm getting sick so my thoughts may not be in order.

Makes sense, which is why I think they dropped the idea of the 12-minute song altogether because it's not really one very long song if it doesn't come back to anything that you heard earlier. I think it's just 3 songs that work well in a sequence even though they are not actually connected by certain reoccurring parts.

why is everyone talking about the 12 minute song and what happened to it

OBLVIOUSLY ITS BEEN BROKEN FUCKIN DOWN TO 3 SONGS. why are people fuckin questioning over and over and asking the same fuckin shit about it over and over. theres no fuckin 12 min song on the album and thats that, no need to ask the sums any fuckin thing about it. fuck.

Mike wrote:why is everyone talking about the 12 minute song and what happened to it

OBLVIOUSLY ITS BEEN BROKEN FUCKIN DOWN TO 3 SONGS. why are people fuckin questioning over and over and asking the same fuckin shit about it over and over. theres no fuckin 12 min song on the album and thats that, no need to ask the sums any fuckin thing about it. fuck.

Steady on, old sport.

Mike wrote:why is everyone talking about the 12 minute song and what happened to it

OBLVIOUSLY ITS BEEN BROKEN FUCKIN DOWN TO 3 SONGS. why are people fuckin questioning over and over and asking the same fuckin shit about it over and over. theres no fuckin 12 min song on the album and thats that, no need to ask the sums any fuckin thing about it. fuck.

Sooooo keep asking questions about the 12 minute song?

Where is the 12 minute song? I just found a link to a site that talks about it and they go in depth with the song length, but they do not have 12 minute song up there... I wonder if they will release it eventually?

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Mike wrote:why is everyone talking about the 12 minute song and what happened to it

OBLVIOUSLY ITS BEEN BROKEN FUCKIN DOWN TO 3 SONGS. why are people fuckin questioning over and over and asking the same fuckin shit about it over and over. theres no fuckin 12 min song on the album and thats that, no need to ask the sums any fuckin thing about it. fuck.

well disappointed, because now i can't compare it to jesus of suburbia

2712 wrote:

Jeremy Kill wrote: @Lex, when you described "Epic" you said it repeated some parts near the beginning? Maybe like verses and choruses and then the rest of the song was bridge after bridge? I'm just wondering because if "Epic" is broken down to three songs, then a couple of those songs will have an odd arrangement, wouldn't they? Though if "Epic" did get broken down, it would make sense for the repeating parts in the beginning of "Epic" to not reappear at the end, otherwise you have two songs with the same parts.

THIS. BAMM! BLOWN WIDE OPEN!!!

2712, it's kind of amusing you're sort of worked up. i don't mind explaining.

jeremy - yes. when they jammed the 3 separate songs, they didn't take a break in between, so again, on first impression it seemed like one long song. but remember, my predominant impression was that "they did different things all the time", which makes perfect sense with the fact they were 3 separate songs, but took no break in between. so in terms of 'repeating stuff', what was repeated, now i realise, was really within the same song, but the end bit... it's a bit hard to explain.

i also said the song must have been really hard to memorise? because by the time they played sick of it all and happiness machines, they didn't play any more parts from crash. and also, the parts within sick of it all and happiness machines seemed much more like bridges to me because they had been playing for so long already! as a musician, i was really listening carefully, and i remember that crash was the easiest to follow, structurally/musically. chorus was in 6/8 and verse was in 4/4, like i already said. by the time they play sick of it all and happiness machines, it gets much harder to deduce what part is what. sounded more like breakdowns and solos.

it all matches up with what i said in that video for sum41france. when stevo would hit the crashes and there would be a pause... that would be to distinguish they were going to the next song. sometimes, it would also still be within the same song, which is why sometimes it would occur to me that 'parts would be repeated'. hah, obviously i know within a song parts get repeated. but again, it was more difficult to distinguish this instrumentally, without vocals. but for sure, crash parts are not played in happiness machines. they are three separate songs, but they have similar feels and moods... no question it worked, so was totally believable to be one song where they repeated stuff but mostly did different things all the time. that's my main point.

i believe due to how they were written and evolved, the sums will play all three in succession, live, if and when they choose to play it live.

thanks to the mods for deleting my multiple posts. my internet last night was a bitch and it'd never show me the page that my post had been submitted.

Sooo... Any idea of what 3 songs it might be exactly?

Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

They said it was a 12 minute song/section of the album..


It doesn't really make sense to me that crash is part of EPIC.. crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update.. that was after they 'announced' the 12minute song

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

They said it was a 12 minute song/section of the album..


It doesn't really make sense to me that crash is part of EPIC.. crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update.. that was after they 'announced' the 12minute song

crash isn't only piano and vocals

Jojothebatteur wrote:

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

They said it was a 12 minute song/section of the album..


It doesn't really make sense to me that crash is part of EPIC.. crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update.. that was after they 'announced' the 12minute song

crash isn't only piano and vocals

wait.. WHAT!?
where did you hear that?

Jojothebatteur wrote:

blackhawk1105 wrote:Crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update...

crash isn't only piano and vocals

Indeed.

It was announced as only vocals and piano, but the French review stated the song actually was kinda divided in two different parts.

I thought the piano ballad was "Over Now"

Yeah, it's something weird...

Because I thought the piano ballad was about that car crash.

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Jojothebatteur wrote:

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

They said it was a 12 minute song/section of the album..


It doesn't really make sense to me that crash is part of EPIC.. crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update.. that was after they 'announced' the 12minute song

crash isn't only piano and vocals

wait.. WHAT!?
where did you hear that?

he's from France...they seem to know everything

FuckT41182 wrote:

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Jojothebatteur wrote:

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:well if it was always this 3 songs blended together, they should've never said "12 minute song" because it isn't

They said it was a 12 minute song/section of the album..


It doesn't really make sense to me that crash is part of EPIC.. crash is only piano and vocals and they were still working on it and hadn't even chosen a title in the last update.. that was after they 'announced' the 12minute song

crash isn't only piano and vocals

wait.. WHAT!?
where did you hear that?

he's from France...they seem to know everything

Hahhhaha exactly.

The French are the new Japanese

blackhawk1105 wrote:The French are the new Japanese

you're right dude! that's why i told you guys to learn french