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Hideo_Kuze wrote:people love to complain when bands re-invent their sound, people love to complain when bands always make the same music
and then there are some bands who have an album that sounds partly like the fans favorite album and also offers a lot of new stuff and some people still need to be annoying and complain

How's Jessica Kill,BIME or Back Where I Belong any worse than No Reason or TNS or what ever you love the most off Chuck?


Deryck owns Sum41 to 100%, he isn't a god at shredding, Chuck isn't the best album in the world and Dave is not Satriani Jr.
get over it

if you want more like Bitter End, go listen to Metallica. But oh yeah SUm41 was that much more creative when Dave was around.
I've never listened to Dave's new stuff, so if there is any epic song he wrote or any epic riff he came up with, feel free to show me

UltraKolby wrote:I TOTALLY agree with you about the Sums playing live. All they do now is play there singles for every show, but atleast now they're playing some new songs from SBM. The Sums definely need to stop drinking so much(...Deryck...) before playing and stop with all the bad jokes and the constant use the word "fuck", its getting old.

Hideo_Kuze wrote:I've never listened to Dave's new stuff, so if there is any epic song he wrote or any epic riff he came up with, feel free to show me

finglemaster wrote:And like someone else hinted at, if Dave is so great can you point us in the direction of some of his amazing riffs, etc since departing the Sums?

Hideo_Kuze wrote: How's Jessica Kill,BIME or Back Where I Belong any worse than No Reason or TNS or what ever you love the most off Chuck?

Tyler. wrote:One problem I did notice with SBM is Deryck seems to have to finish every song with a quiet bit, why can't he just finish them with a bang?

Hideo_Kuze wrote:Chuck isn't the best album in the world

Tyler. wrote:
One problem I did notice with SBM is Deryck seems to have to finish every song with a quiet bit, why can't he just finish them with a bang?

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:
One problem I did notice with SBM is Deryck seems to have to finish every song with a quiet bit, why can't he just finish them with a bang?

-jessica kill?
-HIOL?
-sick of everyone?
-BIME?
-back where I belong?

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:
One problem I did notice with SBM is Deryck seems to have to finish every song with a quiet bit, why can't he just finish them with a bang?

-jessica kill?
-HIOL?
-sick of everyone?
-BIME?
-back where I belong?

stevo32 wrote:The only thing i agree with is Tom helping more on guitar, cause now HE is the lead guitarist.

Tyler. wrote:
Sick of everyone is not the end of a song, Holy image of lies is not the end of a song.

kevin5064 wrote: The set list was long and they had a good mix of everything, not just the singles. They have been playing the SAME bullshit set since 2007 now, with the exception of only a few songs.

kevin5064 wrote: Why are they so distant from the fans to point where they rarely come outside after the shows to have real conversations rather than signing a few autographs and immediately going to their bus?

kevin5064 wrote: Also, why aren't they touring with other bands like everyone else? It seems that every show they play now is either a festival or random club show with shitty local openers.

Mothafucking Monster wrote:I don't know what Sum 41's set list is these days, but somebody mentioned how they mainly play singles now as well as new material. That's just something you do as a band. I understand that the band can pick the songs they play live, but I think that because every normal band out there basically caters to fans, they play the singles. They feel obligated to do so. Have you also ever realized that the band has already played those old songs hundreds of times? Songs off of old records may not be played because the band doesn't really enjoy playing them anymore. The reason they probably still play songs like Fat Lip or Still Waiting are because the fans enjoy them. They do their best to incorporate what the casual fan will want to hear, while also playing the songs that they actually want to play (ie. new songs).

Also, someone mentioned not making negative threads about Sum 41.... it's fine to do so. I'm not going to ban someone for voicing their opinion on Sum 41 unless they say something extremely stupid like "Deryck's gay, Cone is a pussy, they suck dick, etc." as their reasoning as to why they are upset with Sum 41. If the guy has a point behind his topic, let him talk.

Here's something I noticed about SBM. I listened to it, and thought some songs were fantastic, or some parts of songs were fantastic. Reason To Believe is AWESOME. It has an interesting intro, and it just flows. Then, it hits this dead spot where it slows down. That "bridge" or whatever you'd call it, is what kills the song, and where the band absolutely proves that they may be over-thinking the song. That's a spot where maybe someone elses input would have been better. Had they just kept the song speedy, it would roll right through and make the album start off with a bang. I mean, really, that opening riff is sick. and then it leads into "man, give me reason to believe..." and you're like HOLY SHIT SUM 41 NOWAYYY THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME.

Reason To Believe up until the bridge seriously made me feel like I had been listening to the band I used to love. It made me fall back in love with them all over again. I was genuinely excited to listen to that album as a result of hearing that opening track. Then, the bridge hits, and it's like... "lol, nevermind".

One thing I'd like to say is that this album would have been much better had it been maybe cut up a bit. I think that I would have personally enjoyed an EP much more than the full album. If they released an EP with just Reason To Believe, SBM, Blood In My Eyes, Jessica Kill, and Skumfuk, I probably would have thought that Sum 41 had their former swag back. However, the album just has so much god damn filler that is so prevalent on every Sum 41 album I've heard. The first few tracks are sick, but then the middle just drags, and then by the end I'm sick of the band and never want to listen to them again.

That's my views regarding the posts I've read in this topic (which weren't a huge amount).

ptido wrote:

kevin5064 wrote: The set list was long and they had a good mix of everything, not just the singles. They have been playing the SAME bullshit set since 2007 now, with the exception of only a few songs.

Machine Gun, Makes no differences, No Reason, Mr. Amsterdam, Welcome to hell, March of the Dogs, King of contradiction, Pieces, No brains, Confusion and frustration

These are the songs they sometimes played since 2007, and sometimes not. There's maybe even more (from the Underclass Hero record)

And it's the same for cover songs :

Attitude, American Girl, Paint it black, Rebel Yell, Metal Mayhem, Metallica Songs, That's alright Mamma

So there's 17 "exception of only a few songs". A few songs ? Really ?

ptido wrote:

kevin5064 wrote: Why are they so distant from the fans to point where they rarely come outside after the shows to have real conversations rather than signing a few autographs and immediately going to their bus?

I'm sure they would love but I'm also sure that if they started to talk with a fan, the next minute there would be 50 other fans asking for autographs and photos...

ptido wrote:

kevin5064 wrote: Also, why aren't they touring with other bands like everyone else? It seems that every show they play now is either a festival or random club show with shitty local openers.

You seem to forget the tour with the Offspring, the eastpack antidote tour with 3 other american bands which lasted one month and half. Also isn't it cool to play with a local band (which are not that shitty) ?

They played 3 shows with a french band and everyone really loved them. This band told me they really liked the Sum 41 crowd, and that the show was really amazing, and they surely got new fans. It's really cool for them, and the french crowd had fun while this indie rock band was playing. So what is wrong with the local supporting act ? It's a cool thing for everyone..

blackhawk1105 wrote:

Tyler. wrote:
Sick of everyone is not the end of a song, Holy image of lies is not the end of a song.

those are the ends of the songs, not the end of the 12 minute section