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LTS · Post by **LTS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:09 am

I think people are missing my point here:

when i talk about abortion: i'm strictly talking about the people who ignorantly use abortion.... the ones who do it becuase they didn't wear protection or use birth control products..

in case of rape, or when the mother has a lower chance of surviving than the baby; i'm fine with it.
but no other circumstances

Post by **Dylan** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:10 am

ok, i will admit that rape victims should have the choice. but honestly, if a 13 year old is getting "busy", there is a serious lack of parenting that needs to be fixed.

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:23 am

LTS wrote:I think people are missing my point here:

when i talk about abortion: i'm strictly talking about the people who ignorantly use abortion.... the ones who do it becuase they didn't wear protection or use birth control products..

in case of rape, or when the mother has a lower chance of surviving than the baby; i'm fine with it.
but no other circumstances

Thanks for clearing it up.

NoReason27 wrote:ok, i will admit that rape victims should have the choice. but honestly, if a 13 year old is getting "busy", there is a serious lack of parenting that needs to be fixed.

Social pressures can ruin kids lives.

Gibsum 41 · Post by **Gibsum 41** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:25 am

I personally don't fully agree with abortions, because it somehow is like killing a baby, but I think it should be legal.
People having unprotected sex. If you make abortions illegal, people will just have to get a plan B which could consist on throwing their babies in the trash or an orphanage or probably doing something even worse.
Stem cell research. I know we're still talking about fetuses' lives but to be honest I rather have a fetus who barely has any life yet die than a person who really is suffering fighting for one more day to live every day.

Post by **withchappedlips** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:29 am

I think you contradict everything you've already said when you say that it's OK for a girl who was raped and got pregnant to get an abortion, but not a girl who had sex with her boyfriend and wants an abortion. I don't think it's right to only allow one or the other. If the girl wants an abortion, why not grant her one? It's her life that's at stake, along with her childs. It should be her decision because she's going to be the one that has to be with the kid everyday for the rest of their lives. While it is a mistake to not use protection or to have something go wrong while using it, you shouldn't be punished for the rest of your life for it. Maybe I'm just heartless, but I just don't buy into it when you say that you are killing something that wasn't even living in the first place. Sure, it is a living organism, but it isn't going to make noise or have a heartbeat if you were to remove it from the body.

tomhoppus · Post by **tomhoppus** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:34 am

NoReason27 wrote:ok, i will admit that rape victims should have the choice. but honestly, if a 13 year old is getting "busy", there is a serious lack of parenting that needs to be fixed.

Remember the topic I posted quite a while ago about the Seventh Grader (12/13) getting pregnant? You might've been gone, I'm not sure.

Bass Cone · Post by **Bass Cone** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:57 am

I agree with Kyle and V on abortion. Yeah, in some cases people are just stupid and don't use protection, but for the others it's an accident. One slip up shouldn't screw up the rest of your life. A baby can ruin your plans for your future. What if the person who gets pregnant is really smart and could one day find the cure for some disease, but their career is shattered when they get raped/make a mistake? You are taking away a life, yes, but it's one that has not fully developed and has no thoughts or feelings. Do you remember when you were a fetus? No, no one does. Honestly, it's the 21st century. Besides, if it becomes illegal, it will become a back alley practice which is very, very unsafe. People will do it very unsafely and illegally.

Just keep it legal so it's safe.

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:09 am

Bass Cone wrote:I agree with Kyle and V on abortion. Yeah, in some cases people are just stupid and don't use protection, but for the others it's an accident. One slip up shouldn't screw up the rest of your life. A baby can ruin your plans for your future. What if the person who gets pregnant is really smart and could one day find the cure for some disease, but their career is shattered when they get raped/make a mistake? You are taking away a life, yes, but it's one that has not fully developed and has no thoughts or feelings. Do you remember when you were a fetus? No, no one does. Honestly, it's the 21st century. Besides, if it becomes illegal, it will become a back alley practice which is very, very unsafe. People will do it very unsafely and illegally.

Just keep it legal so it's safe.

I'm sorry to correct you but... that has been happening for a very very very long time.

Bass Cone · Post by **Bass Cone** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:10 am

V wrote:
Bass Cone wrote:I agree with Kyle and V on abortion. Yeah, in some cases people are just stupid and don't use protection, but for the others it's an accident. One slip up shouldn't screw up the rest of your life. A baby can ruin your plans for your future. What if the person who gets pregnant is really smart and could one day find the cure for some disease, but their career is shattered when they get raped/make a mistake? You are taking away a life, yes, but it's one that has not fully developed and has no thoughts or feelings. Do you remember when you were a fetus? No, no one does. Honestly, it's the 21st century. Besides, if it becomes illegal, it will become a back alley practice which is very, very unsafe. People will do it very unsafely and illegally.

Just keep it legal so it's safe.
I'm sorry to correct you but... that has been happening for a very very very long time.

What has?

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:33 am

Bass Cone wrote:
V wrote:
Bass Cone wrote:I agree with Kyle and V on abortion. Yeah, in some cases people are just stupid and don't use protection, but for the others it's an accident. One slip up shouldn't screw up the rest of your life. A baby can ruin your plans for your future. What if the person who gets pregnant is really smart and could one day find the cure for some disease, but their career is shattered when they get raped/make a mistake? You are taking away a life, yes, but it's one that has not fully developed and has no thoughts or feelings. Do you remember when you were a fetus? No, no one does. Honestly, it's the 21st century. Besides, if it becomes illegal, it will become a back alley practice which is very, very unsafe. People will do it very unsafely and illegally.

Just keep it legal so it's safe.
I'm sorry to correct you but... that has been happening for a very very very long time.
What has?

Sorry, my post was unclear:

Besides, if it becomes illegal, it will become a back alley practice which is very, very unsafe. People will do it very unsafely and illegally.

Bass Cone · Post by **Bass Cone** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:36 am

Oh, I know, but if it's made illegal, the back alley practices will just be used more. I'm bad with words, I don't know if people will get what I'm saying...

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:50 am

Bass Cone wrote:Oh, I know, but if it's made illegal, the back alley practices will just be used more. I'm bad with words, I don't know if people will get what I'm saying...

It is already illegal! And those practices are way too popular!

I got your point.

;)

Laxman 41 · Post by **Laxman 41** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:56 am

V wrote:
LTS wrote: people using it as an excuse it's pathetic..
And when your friend's sister is raped and gets pregnant?

"Oh yeah stupid whore, she shouldn't have worn that nice dress that incited psychopaths to have unwanted sex with her"

And having that thought: "What if you were never born because your mother had an abortion?"

Is, in my honest opinion, a bit stupid. First: well... nothing happens if your parents decide to have an abortion. You were never born, ergo, you don't care. (Don't start with something about life before birth, is even more lame than life after death).

And sometimes conception can occur EVEN while using prophylactics, so it's not always about stupid kids who refuse to use condoms.

Pregnancy can be really harmful for some women, and in some cases the risk of death is known beforehand. When a 13 year old gets pregnant there's a chance both the mother and the child will die.

It's a really complicated subject, and it should be treated in that way, not in the light manner that has been treated on this topic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate

Post by **Druska** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:53 pm

in my country you can have abortion in 3 cases
1 rape
2 when the lives of the mom or tha baby could have some risk ( both physical and mental )
3when the baby has some huge huge sickness
you're only allowed til you're 3 months
what if i made a mistake uh? what if i can give him or her what he or she would need such as a home , a proper education or even food ?adoption ? it's not easy to do it
look i'm 16 right now just imagine this , i get pregnant and i have the baby ... i'm not only ruining my whole life and dreams ...my family would be affected too cos i don't have enough money to live on my own my mom would probably act more as the baby's mom than as his or her grandma .. and seriously i don't wanna do that to her she had enough with me and my sister . we already have enough shit

and also gay people can get married

Liam. · Post by **Liam.** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:38 pm

LTS · Post by **LTS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:09 pm

i wish there was a 3rd option on the global warming one "don't care.. it's a myth"

:)

budgie · Post by **budgie** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:29 pm

LTS wrote:i wish there was a 3rd option on the global warming one "don't care.. it's a myth"

:)

yup.

plus all this "save the planet" stuff.
the planet is fine. "global warming" has been going on for millions of years, its just nature.
its the people in it who are fucked.

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:36 pm

I love how everyone here pretends to be an expert in climatology and human rights.

Go read.

LTS · Post by **LTS** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:48 pm

I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything; i'm just voicing my opinion...

NoReason27 wrote:LTS > V

in this topic.

and it's working... :)

Post by V » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:05 pm

LTS wrote:I'm not claiming to be an expert on anything; i'm just voicing my opinion...

NoReason27 wrote:LTS > V

in this topic.
and it's working... :)

Excuse me?

If you are in fact voicing an opinion then you should at least put some background to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_global_warming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_ ... al_warming

Neither you or me can tell what is the truth on this subject so in fact the wisest thing to do is accept that both are possibilities and not that either "it's a myth" or "we are all going to die".

There is in fact a general consensus about global warming being real: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Also, I never said you claimed to be an expert, I just said you pretended to be one by leaving out the possibility of global warming being real:

LTS wrote:i wish there was a 3rd option on the global warming one "don't care.. it's a myth"

:)

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