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yeah, that's right.

yeah, that's right.

I mean, Iggy Pop and Tommy Lee invited him to play on their albums (Tommy Lee's "Tommyland The Ride" and Iggy Pop's Anthology), i mean, that's surprised even me, that they asked Deryck and not Dave who could nail some solos and crazy stuff there.

Hentaiman wrote:yeah, that's right.

I mean, Iggy Pop and Tommy Lee invited him to play on their albums (Tommy Lee's "Tommyland The Ride" and Iggy Pop's Anthology), i mean, that's surprised even me, that they asked Deryck and not Dave who could nail some solos and crazy stuff there.

Tommy Lee's invitation doesnt mean shit though. 8)

Deryck played guitar on Tommy's album too.

sumfan wrote:

Hentaiman wrote:yeah, that's right.

I mean, Iggy Pop and Tommy Lee invited him to play on their albums (Tommy Lee's "Tommyland The Ride" and Iggy Pop's Anthology), i mean, that's surprised even me, that they asked Deryck and not Dave who could nail some solos and crazy stuff there.

Tommy Lee's invitation doesnt mean shit though. 8)

Why not? i mean, i dont like Tommy Lee either, but Tommyland is a pretty decent album, which at first downloaded cuz i read that Deryck played guitar there.
Plus i like Motley crue too.

Hentaiman wrote:

sumfan wrote:

Hentaiman wrote:yeah, that's right.

I mean, Iggy Pop and Tommy Lee invited him to play on their albums (Tommy Lee's "Tommyland The Ride" and Iggy Pop's Anthology), i mean, that's surprised even me, that they asked Deryck and not Dave who could nail some solos and crazy stuff there.

Tommy Lee's invitation doesnt mean shit though. 8)

Why not? i mean, i dont like Tommy Lee either, but Tommyland is a pretty decent album, which at first downloaded cuz i read that Deryck played guitar there.
Plus i like Motley crue too.

I think he sucks ass. But i never THAT one album... link?

i'll try to up it myself tomorrow, or maybe there's a link somwhere....

pretty decent album, IMO.

Hentaiman wrote:i'll try to up it myself tomorrow, or maybe there's a link somwhere....

pretty decent album, IMO.

thanks. :D

np.

btw, if you like Good Charlotte, their lead vocalist (i think Joel was his name, right?) sings along with Tommy in one song.

Hentaiman wrote:np.

btw, if you like Good Charlotte, their lead vocalist (i think Joel was his name, right?) sings along with Tommy in one song.

Yes and yes :)

Hentaiman wrote:Well as guys here said, he just came off as jerk b-cuz of all of those users who started opening posts like "sum 41 gonna suck without Dave" and that Deryck couldn't not play the guitar like Dave and stuff... so i can understand from where is the anger, cuz with Dave or not, they're still awesome, and Dave is awesome by himself.

Actually, for the record, the posts negative towards Deryck started after he posted a "statement" on the board about the whole situtation...which he later deleted and pretended never existed.

Chapstick makes a good point though, with this statement:" Deryck obviously can't play all the things Dave did but i think he is still a better guitarist than alot of people realise." But I still stand by that he was out of line in what he said in his disappearing "statement".

I think he knew that it was out of line and that's why he wrote the second one and deleted the first.

Phili wrote:I think he knew that it was out of line and that's why he wrote the second one and deleted the first.

Oh I agree. And at least he sorta realized he was in the wrong.

However, it's kinda like in court when something is said and then objected to, and "stricken from the record" - the jury still heard it, and it still made an impact.

Asho_DirtyPoo wrote:He said Dave had nothing to do with the band. He had no influence on the sound, and he claimed that HE wrote all the guitar for hte band, and Dave just played it.

There was more, but that was what pissed me off the most.

He was slandering Dave.

And about his guitar business (SURPRIZE, I was one of the jerks haha)...well...it's true. If he can play all of Dave's guitar...why doesn't he? Why isn't there ANY guitar in the new songs? I'm just saying...

if deryck said it i believe him. why would he lie? I guess u were the producer of every sum 41's album since you know who wrote all the guitars

Asho_DirtyPoo wrote:

Phili wrote:I think he knew that it was out of line and that's why he wrote the second one and deleted the first.

Oh I agree. And at least he sorta realized he was in the wrong.

However, it's kinda like in court when something is said and then objected to, and "stricken from the record" - the jury still heard it, and it still made an impact.

I know it still made an impact, but I forgave him because he clearly felt bad about it. He wanted to reassure fans, and in the process he took credit away from Dave, and he realized that and, if I recall correctly, he apologized for any misunderstanding.

And Deryck's clearly quite capable on the guitar. He's proven he can play both the In Too Deep solo and the Hell Song solo. No, he can't play the solo for the Bitter End... but Dave's fucking amazing. Hardly anyone is as good as Dave. People were saying he couldn't play the guitar, not that he wasn't as good as Dave.

Byzzy wrote:

Asho_DirtyPoo wrote:He said Dave had nothing to do with the band. He had no influence on the sound, and he claimed that HE wrote all the guitar for hte band, and Dave just played it.

There was more, but that was what pissed me off the most.

He was slandering Dave.

And about his guitar business (SURPRIZE, I was one of the jerks haha)...well...it's true. If he can play all of Dave's guitar...why doesn't he? Why isn't there ANY guitar in the new songs? I'm just saying...

if deryck said it i believe him. why would he lie? I guess u were the producer of every sum 41's album since you know who wrote all the guitars

So...if Deryck says one thing, and Dave says another...Dave has no reason to lie about it either...

As I said somewhere else - it's one person's word against the other. And it comes down to who we each choose to believe.

Asho_DirtyPoo wrote:

Byzzy wrote:

Asho_DirtyPoo wrote:He said Dave had nothing to do with the band. He had no influence on the sound, and he claimed that HE wrote all the guitar for hte band, and Dave just played it.

There was more, but that was what pissed me off the most.

He was slandering Dave.

And about his guitar business (SURPRIZE, I was one of the jerks haha)...well...it's true. If he can play all of Dave's guitar...why doesn't he? Why isn't there ANY guitar in the new songs? I'm just saying...

if deryck said it i believe him. why would he lie? I guess u were the producer of every sum 41's album since you know who wrote all the guitars

So...if Deryck says one thing, and Dave says another...Dave has no reason to lie about it either...

As I said somewhere else - it's one person's word against the other. And it comes down to who we each choose to believe.

Well that's true and i guess that's it.
There really is no point keep discussing it like that, i mean, it really is who we choose to believe, also both Deryck and Dave rule!

I love them both. but I believe Deryck. he's the face of the band, so if he lies, and it comes out there would be hell to pay. I doubt he'll dare.

sumfan, that really makes sense :o
But who knows... this is how we could all think all the members in the bands we love are great and all and if we'll meet 'em one day, we'll discover they are all assholes!

Not that i'm saying Deryck is an ass, but who knows... :?

So we've decided it's all a matter of opinion and who we choose to trust?

We hijacked this thread pretty badly eh? haha. Sorry about that!