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Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:56 am
by Boni
I think what people have to relies if record labels usual give bands a time-deadline for when the album has to be ready. That's why it takes some bands 1-3 months to complete an album. Sum 41 weren't given a deadline, first they went in to record an EP and decided let's make an album instead and without the time constraint hanging over their head they took their time.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:15 am
by fergal41
Ah, Rise Against. Megadeth only released an album called Endgame like a year and a half back.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:16 am
by Jeremy Kill
Gregorovich wrote:
TomiT14 wrote:
Jeremy Kill wrote:It makes me think that when Deryck said "It's safe to say it will be out this year (2009)" was when they thought the album was ready, when really it wasn't, so they went and recorded more songs.

Had the band not gone back and recorded more songs, I think they could've released this album in 2010.
This also happened when they got back from their first Euro tour in May/June 2010. They recorded couple of more songs then. But even still, they were done recording in the end of June. So if label wanted, they'd still have had time to release the record in 2010.
Would you rather have a better album, or an earlier album? Im with the Sums on this, good things come to those who wait. Hell, if i was an extremely talented kinda-famous rockstar i would take my time making an album the best i could and have so much fun along the way :)
It depends. The longer you hold onto an album, the more you can doubt yourself and change things in songs that would've maybe benefitted the song better. Working an album into the ground usually doesn't make it better - case in point, Guns N' Roses and Chinese Democracy. That album was in the works for 14 or so years, so it should've been an amazing album, but when it came out, all it was was a mediocre record.

Does This Look Infected was written in two months or less and the band plays more songs off that album than they do Underclass Hero (which is, so far, the album they have put the most effort in).

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:46 am
by FuckT41182
Jeremy Kill wrote:
Gregorovich wrote:
TomiT14 wrote:
Jeremy Kill wrote:It makes me think that when Deryck said "It's safe to say it will be out this year (2009)" was when they thought the album was ready, when really it wasn't, so they went and recorded more songs.

Had the band not gone back and recorded more songs, I think they could've released this album in 2010.
This also happened when they got back from their first Euro tour in May/June 2010. They recorded couple of more songs then. But even still, they were done recording in the end of June. So if label wanted, they'd still have had time to release the record in 2010.
Would you rather have a better album, or an earlier album? Im with the Sums on this, good things come to those who wait. Hell, if i was an extremely talented kinda-famous rockstar i would take my time making an album the best i could and have so much fun along the way :)
It depends. The longer you hold onto an album, the more you can doubt yourself and change things in songs that would've maybe benefitted the song better. Working an album into the ground usually doesn't make it better - case in point, Guns N' Roses and Chinese Democracy. That album was in the works for 14 or so years, so it should've been an amazing album, but when it came out, all it was was a mediocre record.

Does This Look Infected was written in two months or less and the band plays more songs off that album than they do Underclass Hero (which is, so far, the album they have put the most effort in).
Once again,I must agree with Jeremy...Isn't he just smart ? add his funny videos,his talent in making music and you must regret that you're not gay(I didn't mention your looks,cause then everyone would really think that I am gay)...
I just wanted to say that actually the shit about waiting and getting good things comes from the label,not Sum 41r

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:42 am
by Kano
I prefer them not releasing stuff, deep down it hurts heaps. but at the end of the day its better.
listening to a album full is so much different. when i bought Underclass Hero for example
i had listened to all the tracks released before the actual album (underclass hero, walking disaster and With me) i think thats all..
and those songs seemed to be apart from the album.
thats just me.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:47 pm
by Hentaiman
Yeah, with UH I already heard the title track, Walking Disaster, MOTD and CYLB, so It sucked cuz it only had like 9 new tracks for me.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:59 pm
by TomiT14
Gregorovich wrote:
TomiT14 wrote:
Jeremy Kill wrote:It makes me think that when Deryck said "It's safe to say it will be out this year (2009)" was when they thought the album was ready, when really it wasn't, so they went and recorded more songs.

Had the band not gone back and recorded more songs, I think they could've released this album in 2010.
This also happened when they got back from their first Euro tour in May/June 2010. They recorded couple of more songs then. But even still, they were done recording in the end of June. So if label wanted, they'd still have had time to release the record in 2010.
Would you rather have a better album, or an earlier album? Im with the Sums on this, good things come to those who wait. Hell, if i was an extremely talented kinda-famous rockstar i would take my time making an album the best i could and have so much fun along the way :)
In this case, Sums were done recording in June, so the album hasn't gotten any better since then. So even if it was released last year, it would've been the exact same album than the one we're getting this year.

But generally, of course I'd want the best music. I have no issue with them going back to rewrite and re-record things. But what I don't agree is that they were done recording in June 2010, and we're getting the album 9 months after as its earliest. That's hell of a lot of waiting, compared to the other bands listed on the first page.
Hentaiman wrote:Yeah, with UH I already heard the title track, Walking Disaster, MOTD and CYLB, so It sucked cuz it only had like 9 new tracks for me.
But that was your own choice to listen to the leaks. :silly:

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:08 pm
by HugoDisasters
Listening to leaks is perfectly okay as long as you treat leaks as leaks and not as the final product.
When people criticize things they have to count in all the variables.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:18 pm
by withchappedlips
The reason that DRUGS is releasing music so soon is because they don't have ANY music that people know yet, and they need SOMETHING for people to be into when they are playing live.

When I saw DRUGS, the only songs that ANYONE in the crowd knew were Thermacare and If You Think This Song..., and those were the two that everyone got into the most and the atmosphere was the best for.

Bands like Sum 41 already have a full collections of songs to pick from that can generate crowd energy.

Bands like DRUGS are just starting out and have absolutely nothing on their resume that you'd know. That's why they had to release those songs.

They released both of them to promote themselves for their first tour.

Re: Don't blame Sum 41, but....

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:01 am
by SumGeek
UltraKolby wrote:Well look on the positive side, if the album is taking awhile to be release, that means its going to f#@king rock!!!!
Yes! this is the way I look at it. They fixed a few songs and added more because they wanted to make sure they are giving us the best album they can give and that's what really matters. We want them to be satisfied with the end results as much as we will be. And vise versa. They will be satisfied with the album more so if we are.