The Sum 41 General Disscussion Thread

[Simon]

Millions of songs have the same chords, especially when they use powerchords. Same goes for partly identical riffs, because that's how music works. 99% of pop/rock music is something that has already been done, sent through a magic chopper (called the human brain). That's why it's popular and that's why people with similar influences often come up with very similar stuff. I still haven't seen anything here that remotely qualifies as a rip-off.

[Lars]

What about this, Simon?

This is a song that was written by an Italian guy, but some belgian dude covered it. So it's not the original version. The original version is way older than the Sum 41-song you'll definetely recognize. At least, that's what I've been told.

[Simon]

That's a good one, but still not surprising. The last note makes all the difference and before that it's just the same three notes up and down. I have had the same thing with a song that I wrote when someone told me "hey that sounds exactly like... (forgot the name)" and I had never heard that song in my life. But he was right.

It's the same with language. You don't call a book or an article a rip-off just because there is one common sentence/statement in there that you read somewhere before. It happens.

[I'm A Cunt [*banned*]]

That's a good one, but still not surprising. The last note makes all the difference and before that it's just the same three notes up and down. I have had the same thing with a song that I wrote when someone told me "hey that sounds exactly like... (forgot the name)" and I had never heard that song in my life. But he was right.

It's the same with language. You don't call a book or an article a rip-off just because there is one common sentence/statement in there that you read somewhere before. It happens.

I'm just joking, i dunno about these other guys but calm down fanboy.

LOL @ LARS: awesome

let us not forget the most widely known rip-off and maybe most recognize:

this is sad now:

wow, the second one has some legit stuff.

[Simon]

Call me whatever you want, I'm just tired of people believing that a bunch of similar notes make a rip-off. It's fun to see what kind of music you can find similarities in, but this "OMFG LOLZ RIP-OFF?!?!" bullshit is getting so damn old and is just annoying. People should have got it by now.

[I'm A Cunt [*banned*]]

Call me whatever you want, I'm just tired of people believing that a bunch of similar notes make a rip-off. It's fun to see what kind of music you can find similarities in, but this "OMFG LOLZ RIP-OFF?!?!" bullshit is getting so damn old and is just annoying. People should have got it by now.

And you need to understand the pressures these musicians have to make a living/please the label/please themselves/please their fans. that maybe in crunch time they "borrow" an idea from another song. Not 100% of the time, not 0% of the time either.

But what bugs ME is fans so engrossed in a band/image that doesn't exist. As if deryck is some higher being of song writing that every single one of his (almost exactly) sounding riffs from other songs were HIS original idea.

Its showbiz, grow up.

[Raku]

What about this, Simon?

This is a song that was written by an Italian guy, but some belgian dude covered it. So it's not the original version. The original version is way older than the Sum 41-song you'll definetely recognize. At least, that's what I've been told.

The lead singer looks like jack black and jim carrey had a child together and it was him

[Simon]

Call me whatever you want, I'm just tired of people believing that a bunch of similar notes make a rip-off. It's fun to see what kind of music you can find similarities in, but this "OMFG LOLZ RIP-OFF?!?!" bullshit is getting so damn old and is just annoying. People should have got it by now.

And you need to understand the pressures these musicians have to make a living/please the label/please themselves/please their fans. that maybe in crunch time they "borrow" an idea from another song. Not 100% of the time, not 0% of the time either.

But what bugs ME is fans so engrossed in a band/image that doesn't exist. As if deryck is some higher being of song writing that every single one of his (almost exactly) sounding riffs from other songs were HIS original idea.

Its showbiz, grow up.

You don't want to get it, do you? I don't need to understand that, because I already do. I'm saying that almost nothing is original anymore except in the way it is arranged and presented. Everything a musician produces is a result of what influenced him which is logically mostly other music. And even if not, there is still a very good chance that it sounds like something that is already out there and that's a good thing. Deryck is no exception, so there is really no need for this rip-off hype and I don't care if it's about Sum 41 or Simple Plan. If you need that to feel important, have fun. I'd rather just enjoy the music without questioning their originality all the time.

And way to go, telling me to grow up. Don't flatter yourself, kid.

[I'm A Cunt [*banned*]]

Call me whatever you want, I'm just tired of people believing that a bunch of similar notes make a rip-off. It's fun to see what kind of music you can find similarities in, but this "OMFG LOLZ RIP-OFF?!?!" bullshit is getting so damn old and is just annoying. People should have got it by now.

And you need to understand the pressures these musicians have to make a living/please the label/please themselves/please their fans. that maybe in crunch time they "borrow" an idea from another song. Not 100% of the time, not 0% of the time either.

But what bugs ME is fans so engrossed in a band/image that doesn't exist. As if deryck is some higher being of song writing that every single one of his (almost exactly) sounding riffs from other songs were HIS original idea.

Its showbiz, grow up.

You don't want to get it, do you? I don't need to understand that, because I already do. I'm saying that almost nothing is original anymore except in the way it is arranged and presented. Everything a musician produces is a result of what influenced him which is logically mostly other music. And even if not, there is still a very good chance that it sounds like something that is already out there and that's a good thing. Deryck is no exception, so there is really no need for this rip-off hype and I don't care if it's about Sum 41 or Simple Plan. If you need that to feel important, have fun. I'd rather just enjoy the music without questioning their originality all the time.

And way to go, telling me to grow up. Don't flatter yourself, kid.

[Lars]

Well, I do get your point Simon. And there's definetely some truth in it. Things you listen to as a fan, will inspire you as a musician yourself. Such 'accidents' like having some same-sounding songs happen.

But, like The Venom-dude said, sometimes musicians borrow an idea from another song. Not necessarily to copy it, but just to have inspiration. But than it's no surprise some songs sound the same.

I mean look at the last video, the 7 minute one, you truly truly believe that those were just all 'accidents'?

It's not a shame using an idea from someone else, but it's a shame some people deny it was already used before. Not pointing at you though, Simon.

[Raku]

Anybody remember these?

[Susanne]

I've had some of those songs (in the vids Charley posted) in my itunes for YEARS and I've never realized the similarity to Sum 41 songs :o

This whole ripping-off thing made me remember this:

[Simon]

Well, I do get your point Simon. And there's definetely some truth in it. Things you listen to as a fan, will inspire you as a musician yourself. Such 'accidents' like having some same-sounding songs happen.

But, like The Venom-dude said, sometimes musicians borrow an idea from another song. Not necessarily to copy it, but just to have inspiration. But than it's no surprise some songs sound the same.

I mean look at the last video, the 7 minute one, you truly truly believe that those were just all 'accidents'?

I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows except them. That's the point. But I don't look at them "hey that has been used before: RIP-OFF!" because most of them are somewhere in the area of this:

The rest could fall under strong influence (Oasis for example) or because something was way too popular to not be picked up somehow (Nickelback) and many are just bonus tracks (I was surprised No Apologies vs. Attitude by Misfits wasn't in there).

Doesn't take much to find something similar in every song and someone is screaming rip-off again. Sometimes it's funny and interesting, like the one you posted. But most of the time, I'm like "Wow, big deal Sherlock".

[I'm A Cunt [*banned*]]

Well, I do get your point Simon. And there's definetely some truth in it. Things you listen to as a fan, will inspire you as a musician yourself. Such 'accidents' like having some same-sounding songs happen.

But, like The Venom-dude said, sometimes musicians borrow an idea from another song. Not necessarily to copy it, but just to have inspiration. But than it's no surprise some songs sound the same.

I mean look at the last video, the 7 minute one, you truly truly believe that those were just all 'accidents'?

I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows except them. That's the point. But I don't look at them "hey that has been used before: RIP-OFF!" because most of them are somewhere in the area of this:

Doesn't take much to find something similar in every song and someone is screaming rip-off again. Sometimes it's funny and interesting, like the one you posted. But most of the time, I'm like "Wow, big deal Sherlock".

You know, just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean it isn't interesting to everyone else in the world.

God damn you are a jackass aren't you.

Here is why you got upset over what we posted:

You don't agree, so therefor it is not worth talking about.
We made valid points, which you couldn't counter.

Who the hell said me or lars were doing this as a witch-hunt? I found it interesting, i guess lars did too.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK IF YOU FIND IT INTERESTING NUMB NUTS.

[Max]

Has anyone tried to write a song and it turned out like another song without you realising it? I've done that a couple of times. You're not intentionally copying just recreating the sound in your head which you think you came up with.

[Simon]

Well, I do get your point Simon. And there's definetely some truth in it. Things you listen to as a fan, will inspire you as a musician yourself. Such 'accidents' like having some same-sounding songs happen.

But, like The Venom-dude said, sometimes musicians borrow an idea from another song. Not necessarily to copy it, but just to have inspiration. But than it's no surprise some songs sound the same.

I mean look at the last video, the 7 minute one, you truly truly believe that those were just all 'accidents'?

I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows except them. That's the point. But I don't look at them "hey that has been used before: RIP-OFF!" because most of them are somewhere in the area of this:

Doesn't take much to find something similar in every song and someone is screaming rip-off again. Sometimes it's funny and interesting, like the one you posted. But most of the time, I'm like "Wow, big deal Sherlock".

You know, just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean it isn't interesting to everyone else in the world.

God damn you are a jackass aren't you.

Here is why you got upset over what we posted:

You don't agree, so therefor it is not worth talking about.
We made valid points, which you couldn't counter.

Who the hell said me or lars were doing this as a witch-hunt? I found it interesting, i guess lars did too.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK IF YOU FIND IT INTERESTING NUMB NUTS.

Relax kid and think about why all of the sudden you make such a big deal out of this while I have no problem with Lars whatsoever. First you tell me you're joking, call me a fanboy, tell me to grow up and now you get all serious about it and insult me. Stop complaining about something that you provoke. But I guess I must be the jackass..

Has anyone tried to write a song and it turned out like another song without you realising it? I've done that a couple of times. You're not intentionally copying just recreating the sound in your head which you think you came up with.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I had that with myself a lot and like I said, once it even was a song that I had never heard in my entire life.

[Lars]

I've seen that video before, Simon. But to me it seems like you can do many different things with the same chords. Right here in this vid, they sound pretty familiar because they keep on playing it the same way over and over again, just on piano and on acoustic guitar. But listen to the original ones, just people who know a thing or two about chords and all that stuff will think of it like: those are the same chords. Everyone else wouldn't even notice it, except for 2 or 3 songs maybe.

The video I posted wasn't about the chords, it was about the lead guitar/piano, where you can do much different stuff with, imo. The Still Waiting thing just sounded familiar, and not because of the chords. In this example, people who do know shit about music will even say: that sounds familiar.

You see what I mean?

Not calling you a dumb fuck or so.

[I'm A Cunt [*banned*]]

Well, I do get your point Simon. And there's definetely some truth in it. Things you listen to as a fan, will inspire you as a musician yourself. Such 'accidents' like having some same-sounding songs happen.

But, like The Venom-dude said, sometimes musicians borrow an idea from another song. Not necessarily to copy it, but just to have inspiration. But than it's no surprise some songs sound the same.

I mean look at the last video, the 7 minute one, you truly truly believe that those were just all 'accidents'?

I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows except them. That's the point. But I don't look at them "hey that has been used before: RIP-OFF!" because most of them are somewhere in the area of this:

Doesn't take much to find something similar in every song and someone is screaming rip-off again. Sometimes it's funny and interesting, like the one you posted. But most of the time, I'm like "Wow, big deal Sherlock".

You know, just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean it isn't interesting to everyone else in the world.

God damn you are a jackass aren't you.

Here is why you got upset over what we posted:

You don't agree, so therefor it is not worth talking about.
We made valid points, which you couldn't counter.

Who the hell said me or lars were doing this as a witch-hunt? I found it interesting, i guess lars did too.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK IF YOU FIND IT INTERESTING NUMB NUTS.

Relax kid and think about why all of the sudden you make such a big deal out of this while I have no problem with Lars whatsoever. First you tell me you're joking, call me a fanboy, tell me to grow up and now you get all serious about it and insult me. Stop complaining about something that you provoke. But I guess I must be the jackass..
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I do joke until i get sick of the other persons arrogance.

I'm tired of your moronic posts where you think you're so wise. Kid? yeah, good job, you were 5 when i was born, sew matuer roit?

I know you feel cool because you just moved out of your mommies house (yeah yeah, go head and rant about how you've been out of your parents house since you were 12 working a back breaking job paying for your own Adolf Hitler memorabilia) and you feel cool and mature. And your dad is even helping you finance that silver Golf GTi and you even go back to your own studio apartment (that he also helps you pay for) after working an 8 hour shift of the grocery store.

But I ask of you, commit suicide.

You are not cool because you are of ignorant nazi descent.
You are not mature because you are 23.

[Raku]

[Simon]

I've seen that video before, Simon. But to me it seems like you can do many different things with the same chords. Right here in this vid, they sound pretty familiar because they keep on playing it the same way over and over again, just on piano and on acoustic guitar. But listen to the original ones, just people who know a thing or two about chords and all that stuff will think of it like: those are the same chords. Everyone else wouldn't even notice it, except for 2 or 3 songs maybe.

The video I posted wasn't about the chords, it was about the lead guitar/piano, where you can do much different stuff with, imo. The Still Waiting thing just sounded familiar, and not because of the chords. In this example, people who do know shit about music will even say: that sounds familiar.

You see what I mean?

Not calling you a dumb fuck or so.

Haha, thanks that's a relief. I totally get what you're saying although I'm not sure there is anything that you still need to prove to me. The video I posted was meant to be in relation to the 7-minute one.

@ThanksForTheVenom: Hilarious stuff, but your credibility went down the drain after that PM you sent me. Thanks for proving my arrogance right.