This is a thread that I came into contact with on AP.net, I quite like it and I don't think it has ever been made here, if so, it definitely is not active now.
My first controversial opinion would be this one :
I think that if there is life after death, any form of life, then natural selection applies itself in that realm of reality just as it does on this planet, therefore it doesn't matter if you believe in God or if you are good or bad, but only if you are spiritually strong, that strength being the passage to the next life.
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Mark: Sometimes when I talk in 3rd person i end up calling tom mark
Tom:Yea than he starts touching me and i think thats masturbation
Some people think were idiots or perverts dont argue were both.
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I can't formulate an argument for or against an opinion which relies upon beliefs which I consider nonsense (ie. life after death, natural selection and spiritualism). Suggesting that it is possible to be 'reborn' (as an entity in the universe or 'beyond' it) goes completely in defiance of almost all philosophical theory on personal identity. If an entity dies, and thus a personality and memory with it, what is it about what is reborn which links the two, so that they can be considered the same 'person'? Both memories and personality are little more than brainwaves - so how can these be carried beyond the body after death? That's why the argument for the existence of a 'soul' just doesn't work. It doesn't make sense. The strongest philosophical theories are always ones which leave out the possibility of there being a deity or some form of afterlife or reincarnation.
So yeah, controversial opinion.
So yeah, controversial opinion.
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what makes you think there is ? I mean to believe in something you gotta have something to rely on.FuckT41182 wrote:
I think that if there is life after death, any form of life, then natural selection applies itself in that realm of reality just as it does on this planet, therefore it doesn't matter if you believe in God or if you are good or bad, but only if you are spiritually strong, that strength being the passage to the next life.
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Personally, I agree with you , however, scientists have not yet proven where does consciousness come from. I believe that consciousness is more than just a brain process, although every materialist will always disagree with me and argue that the two are one and the same.
I kind of think that Alzheimers is a total proof of clinical death being the end of your experience of life. Your brain is dying, your memory goes away with it and as we all know, what you can't remember doesn't exist for you. But that's why I used the expression - 'Realm Of Reality', just because this one is the only one we know does't mean it's the only one that exists, although I am half in favor of that idea. On this planet, there are the laws of nature and every living thing has to obey them. The only way we can exist is the way we are.
The universe is vast and we know only a little part of it, we don't know how does it function, we don't know if this universe has a brother or not, basically, we know so little that we are close to knowing nothing at all, scientists agree with this too. Many of discoveries about the universe came into existence by examining that which we already know and assuming that the other questions can be answered based on that knowledge. Sometimes they cannot.
I find Buddha and his character to be an interesting one, maybe that's why I keep an open mind about the existence of something that we can't see nor hear nor touch nor smell nor taste. I've read a lot about him and his views, and I believe he had something there.
But I will try to answer your question. In my life, I try to control my emotions and everything that I experience on the emotional scale. Sometimes I accomplish nothing, sometimes I may be accomplishing something, or deceiving myself. There certainly are things left unexplained in this world, though I believe the reason for this is not having anybody with an answer to that particular question, rather than the question itself. But just in case there's no answer that we can produce using our brains, I keep an open mind .
I kind of think that Alzheimers is a total proof of clinical death being the end of your experience of life. Your brain is dying, your memory goes away with it and as we all know, what you can't remember doesn't exist for you. But that's why I used the expression - 'Realm Of Reality', just because this one is the only one we know does't mean it's the only one that exists, although I am half in favor of that idea. On this planet, there are the laws of nature and every living thing has to obey them. The only way we can exist is the way we are.
The universe is vast and we know only a little part of it, we don't know how does it function, we don't know if this universe has a brother or not, basically, we know so little that we are close to knowing nothing at all, scientists agree with this too. Many of discoveries about the universe came into existence by examining that which we already know and assuming that the other questions can be answered based on that knowledge. Sometimes they cannot.
I find Buddha and his character to be an interesting one, maybe that's why I keep an open mind about the existence of something that we can't see nor hear nor touch nor smell nor taste. I've read a lot about him and his views, and I believe he had something there.
This is kind of a funny question, billions of people believe in life after death just because of scripts written on a thousand years old toilet paper, and you want me to base my belief on something plausible ? First of all, it is not a belief that I personally possess, my attitude to religion is agnostic, with a little bit of scepticism, with a little bit of belief. I used the word IF to imply that I am not in any way persuaded by anybody that there is such a thing. But this question is discussed almost every day, so I expressed my views.Ardi41 wrote:what makes you think there is ? I mean to believe in something you gotta have something to rely on.
But I will try to answer your question. In my life, I try to control my emotions and everything that I experience on the emotional scale. Sometimes I accomplish nothing, sometimes I may be accomplishing something, or deceiving myself. There certainly are things left unexplained in this world, though I believe the reason for this is not having anybody with an answer to that particular question, rather than the question itself. But just in case there's no answer that we can produce using our brains, I keep an open mind .
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Mark: Sometimes when I talk in 3rd person i end up calling tom mark
Tom:Yea than he starts touching me and i think thats masturbation
Some people think were idiots or perverts dont argue were both.
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the way I see it, you only live once (YOLO ftw! jk).
I don't believe in the afterlife, you live and die and that's it.
It seems to me that the whole afterlife thing is just a way of saying " don't be afraid there's more once this is over", cos mankind has always been afraid of death.
btw I like your idea of debating about controversial stuff
I don't believe in the afterlife, you live and die and that's it.
It seems to me that the whole afterlife thing is just a way of saying " don't be afraid there's more once this is over", cos mankind has always been afraid of death.
btw I like your idea of debating about controversial stuff
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I will read it, but I have to go out now and then I have an essay to write that is due for tomorrow, I will probably work all night... But I will check it out tomorrow.
Mark: Sometimes when I talk in 3rd person i end up calling tom mark
Tom:Yea than he starts touching me and i think thats masturbation
Some people think were idiots or perverts dont argue were both.
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I posted this here awhile ago, I really love this story.. Not saying I agree/disagree with it at all, but it touches on what you guys have been talking about.
Personally I believe no one knows and no one ever will.
story:
Personally I believe no one knows and no one ever will.
story:
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Haha, read the first four words and recognised itResident Skumfuk wrote:I posted this here awhile ago, I really love this story.. Not saying I agree/disagree with it at all, but it touches on what you guys have been talking about.
Personally I believe no one knows and no one ever will.
story:
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I don't agree with anything in it at all, but it was a partial inspiration for my own philosophy.
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I don't believe in life after death but I hope I'm wrong, it boggles my mind everytime I think about death, you won't see, hear, feel anything forever. The forever part is what always gets to me, I just can't wrap my head around it.
btw: do we keep on going about one subject till someone comes up with a different topic or how does this work?
btw: do we keep on going about one subject till someone comes up with a different topic or how does this work?
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I have to agree ... I don't believe in all this spiritual crap (can I say crap? don't want to offend anyone) either ... It just doesn't make any sense to me, at all. Allthough it must be very relieving to people who can live with these expectations. I hate the thought that everything I do is worthless. That all of this won't matter anymore in a "few" years.
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RE: the afterlife discussion, i personally don't care what happens because there's no way to know. pretty much every scenario and philosophy is good except for the burning in hell for all eternity one. that would suck.
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I don't find personal beliefs controversial if they're private, but if they're something like "Jim Jones" and "Peoples Temple" or "Aum Shinrikyo", then yeah of course. But personal belief in reincarnation or afterlife? Not really.
Personally I'm definitely a materialist - I don't have any reason to have faith in non-material planes or afterlife as there is zero evidence for them, To me such theories are as nonsensical as Platos plane of ideas, flat-earth theory, aether being the substance filling space or phlogiston being the cause of fire.
Personally I'm definitely a materialist - I don't have any reason to have faith in non-material planes or afterlife as there is zero evidence for them, To me such theories are as nonsensical as Platos plane of ideas, flat-earth theory, aether being the substance filling space or phlogiston being the cause of fire.
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Interesting and relevant: Today I was Christmas shopping on Oxford St and I was approached by a man who looked like a charity worker. I always hear these people out, but I never tend to donate anything without knowing one hundred percent what my money is going towards. Anyway, this guy asked me what I thought about karma. I told him I generally never use the word, as I don't believe in the idea. He then pulled out a copy of the Bhagavad Gita and started explaining the founding principles of it - regeneration of the human body throughout life, and the maintaining of the soul after death. We discussed this concept, among other things, for a while, before he explained that he was a Russian monk, gave me the copy of the Bhagavad Gita, and let me on my way. I don't agree with anything within the book, but it is certainly an interesting read. I find particularly amusing the belief that, as one's soul passes on to another body after death, it will find one most suited to it. There are then pictures of lazy and gluttonous people's souls passing on into the bodies of bears and pigs.
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They have stuff like that in German schools?When I'm in class I sometimes catch myself thinking about burning down all the crosses hanging over the doors in each classroom