Sum 41 = Green 182 = Blink Day

Everything related to Sum 41 Here!

Moderator: Jeremy Kill

Post Reply
User avatar
Blink-O
Newbie
Posts: 26
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:21 pm
Age: 0
Location: Berlin, Germany

Sum 41 = Green 182 = Blink Day

Post by Blink-O »

Sum 41 - Underclass Hero Review
Green 182? Blink Day? Either way, it's copycat punk/pop.

http://music.ign.com/articles/807/807733p1.html
Last edited by Blink-O on Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
budgie
Underclass Hero
Posts: 3588
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:11 pm
Gender:

Post by budgie »

cant find the page.....

we've heard it all before, though
User avatar
dearyou_182
Dr. Dynamite
Posts: 1226
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:04 am
First name: RJ
Age: 14
n00b: God.
Location: I'll take out your garbage for you.....I'll start in my pants.
Contact:

Post by dearyou_182 »

Gay.
I'm the tower, you're the airplane.
Image
If we could sit together a moment
and talk forever just to pass the time
i would smile as the shivers and chills run down my spine
when your eyes are locked on mine
User avatar
Blink-O
Newbie
Posts: 26
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:21 pm
Age: 0
Location: Berlin, Germany

Post by Blink-O »

fixed the link...

interesting article... and really not that wrong.
User avatar
dearyou_182
Dr. Dynamite
Posts: 1226
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:04 am
First name: RJ
Age: 14
n00b: God.
Location: I'll take out your garbage for you.....I'll start in my pants.
Contact:

Post by dearyou_182 »

budgie182 wrote:cant find the page.....

we've heard it all before, though
Link FIxed.
I'm the tower, you're the airplane.
Image
If we could sit together a moment
and talk forever just to pass the time
i would smile as the shivers and chills run down my spine
when your eyes are locked on mine
User avatar
dearyou_182
Dr. Dynamite
Posts: 1226
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:04 am
First name: RJ
Age: 14
n00b: God.
Location: I'll take out your garbage for you.....I'll start in my pants.
Contact:

Post by dearyou_182 »

Blink-O wrote:fixed the link...

interesting article... and really not that wrong.
I did :D <3
I'm the tower, you're the airplane.
Image
If we could sit together a moment
and talk forever just to pass the time
i would smile as the shivers and chills run down my spine
when your eyes are locked on mine
User avatar
Jeremy Kill
Moderator
Posts: 12879
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 11:57 pm
Gender:

Post by Jeremy Kill »

It was an okay review. Haha, "Definately Download: Ma Poubelle"!

But I would have to agree that when I first heard the chorus of King of Contradiction live on YouTube, I could've sworn Green Day had a song with a similar melody.

But then again, bands in the same genre will tend to sound the same. That is why... they are in the same genre.
heartcore-prisoners
Bunkface
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:11 pm
Age: 16
Gender:
Instrument 1: keyboard
Instrument 2: guitar
Location: unh

Post by heartcore-prisoners »

havent i read this review from somewhere else before? o_O
User avatar
SociallyInept
King of Contradiction
Posts: 793
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:58 am
First name: Troy
Age: 19
Gender:
360 Gamer Tag: SociallyInept41
Instrument 1: Vocals
Instrument 2: Guitar
Contact:

Post by SociallyInept »

Walking Disaster sounds nothing like I miss you and Green Day could never write a song close to as good as The Jester or K.O.C
Image
budgie
Underclass Hero
Posts: 3588
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:11 pm
Gender:

Post by budgie »

woah, theyre taking this "this-sounds-like-green-day" thing a <i>little</i> too far, dont you think?

a Green-Day-esque 1:40??
green day have very few songs as short as that. :?
User avatar
Hentaiman
Resident Skumfuk
Posts: 6395
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:45 pm
First name: Philip
Age: 23
Gender:
n00b: HilgaMan
Instrument 1: Guitar
Instrument 2: Bass
Location: Israel
Contact:

Post by Hentaiman »

SociallyInept wrote:Walking Disaster sounds nothing like I miss you and Green Day could never write a song close to as good as The Jester or K.O.C
Agreed!
Stupid review.
I don't have anything against Blink-182, i used to love them a lot before Sum and i actually found the Sums when i looked up for bands similar to Blink but Sum 41 are way more talented than Blink or Green Day and even though songs tend to sound similar (how not? as said, that's why they are in the same genre!), the sums are way more original, creative and talented than other bands in the genre.
User avatar
V
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 1230
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:05 am
First name: V
Age: 23
Gender:
Instrument 1: Guitar
Instrument 2: Hero
Last.fm Username: valenzine
Twitter: valenzine
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Contact:

Post by V »

I sadly agree with some parts of it.

The guy gives them a good review!

;)
Don't try to kill a mockingbird, they're the fucking mafia of the animal kingdom.
spud
Newbie
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:02 am

Post by spud »

Look, I like Sum 41 as much as the other people who post here, but even I'm not in denial about Sum 41's lack of originality on Underclass Hero. As a guitar player myself, (don't know how many others are on this site), I probably notice this easier than others do. I know that pop-punk/punk as a whole sounds somewhat similar, but in many cases, it goes BEYOND similar.

Underclass Hero - Sounds like blink-182's Dumpweed more than I'd like.
Walking Disaster - Not a ripoff of blink's "I miss you", but honestly sounds somewhat like a slower "March of the Dogs" (see below commentary).
Speak of the Devil - O.K, THIS one I can't see any obvious/immediate similarities with other songs.
Dear Father - Gosh, it's a freakin pop song I'd expect from Avril.
Count Your Last Blessings - Some parts sound like Deryck reorganized/rearranged "Hitchin' a Ride"...by Green Day
Ma Poubelle - This one doesn't count, obviously. It's a joke lounge song.
March of the Dogs - Listen to this and tell me it doesn't sound like blink-182.
The Jester - I can easily picture Billie Joe singing this one himself. Sounds like one of their REALLY early songs musically.
With Me - While I do think that this is maybe Sum's best song, I can name TOO many songs with a I-V-VI-IV progression in the key of E Major
Pull The Curtain - Blink-182's "Every time I Look for You", anyone? MCR as well? The outro also sounds like "We're All to Blame" and "88" (ok, those songs are Sum 41 songs, but seriously, did Deryck run out of ideas for an outro?)
King of Contradiction - Sounds eerily like Jaded, Take Back, In the End, I Don't Care...by Green Day
Best of Me - This one pretty much SCREAMS that Deryck had listened to "Wake Me Up When September Ends" about 5 minutes before he wrote the song.
Confusion and Frustration - Sonically, it sounds like a reject from blink-182's "Dude Ranch" album. Lyrically, it sounds like a NOFX's "War on Errorism" song.
So Long, Goodbye - This song is pretty much IS Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) with a "Scottish highland" flavor.

Don't get me wrong, I love the album, but seriously, Sum 41 has lacked originality from the get-go. Too many of their songs even rely on the I-V-VI-IV pattern, only difference is the starting note (ALL the UH b-sides use it). Don't think I'm over-analyzing it. Don't think I'm just trying to pick a fight. All I'm saying is that there are very obvious similarites that make these critics actually justified in commenting on the lack of originality. I myself, on the other hand, don't care so much who does it FIRST so much as who does it BEST, which sum 41 has done repeatedly (yay!)

Once again, I'm NOT trying to be a butt, I'm just trying to help you SAVE your butts if you get into an actual argument over this in real life.
Dylan
Resident Skumfuk
Posts: 6786
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:44 pm
First name: Dylan
Age: 20
Gender:
AKA: NoReason27, 2712
360 Gamer Tag: Watchmaker2112
Instrument 1: Bass+Guitar
Instrument 2: Engineer+Production
Twitter: @dylanb_27

Post by Dylan »

i think the good thing is that (for me) i don't listen to green day, blink, nofx and all those bands you listed above. so i can't hear similarities so i couldn't give a shit to what any critic says about Sum 41.
you have far too much time on your hands

"The missing part of me that grows around me like a cage..."
Image

Follow me on Twitter!
Blastero
Newbie
Posts: 103
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:04 am

Post by Blastero »

I've given up on expecting well-written pop-punk reviews from professional critics. This probably isn't the worst of them, but it still represents what these kinds of people write that really ticks me off.

They're in the same musical genre. Of course they sound similar. I could take two metal bands and complain about how they sound too similar. But that's "cool" music, because it came first or something.

Seriously, these critics don't have the brainpower to see pop-punk as anything other than a trend, made by trendy people, who imitate other trendy people. As Deryck has stated before, it's a cop-out. They can't think of anything creative to say, so they beat the long-dead horse of, "It sounds like Green Day/blink-182".

I'll admit there are a few points where there are some significant similarities between said bands on the album, but by no means is it as "copied" as they say it is.
User avatar
Claudia
Billy Spleen
Posts: 379
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:48 pm
Age: 17
n00b: bunny
Instrument 1: guitar
Location: Luxembourg
Contact:

Post by Claudia »

None of the songs on Underclass Hero sound like Green day/Blink to me.
At all.
Image
Amys n00b and Philis grandn00b
User avatar
Phili
Underclass Hero
Posts: 3645
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:42 pm
First name: Gavinji
Age: 18
Gender:
Instrument 1: Clarinet [have envy]
Location: Ontario, Canada
Contact:

Post by Phili »

^Same.

I, uh, REALLY think people are over-analyzing this album. ENTIRELY.
Image
Adam (Open Your Eyes), Amy (Mr. Penguin), and Sasha (Young,Dumb,And Full Of Cum...) are my noobs.
Claudia is my grand-noob.
Lisette (bunny) is my great-grand noob.
User avatar
Jonny
Dr. Dynamite
Posts: 1165
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:27 pm
Age: 0
Location: Inside a shoe.
Contact:

Post by Jonny »

''They have a short song and so do Green Day, they must be copying''
Image

Guest is my noob.
User avatar
Jeremy Kill
Moderator
Posts: 12879
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 11:57 pm
Gender:

Post by Jeremy Kill »

spud wrote:I myself, on the other hand, don't care so much who does it FIRST so much as who does it BEST, which sum 41 has done repeatedly (yay!)
Heh, I agree!
User avatar
Hentaiman
Resident Skumfuk
Posts: 6395
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:45 pm
First name: Philip
Age: 23
Gender:
n00b: HilgaMan
Instrument 1: Guitar
Instrument 2: Bass
Location: Israel
Contact:

Post by Hentaiman »

Likewise, dudes.
I think they should stop over-analysing this album and enjoy it as it is.
Even if Sum copied from Green Day or Blink-182, they did it better than those two bands!

Anyway, i started listening to Green Day's American Idiot few days ago and i can't find any similarities.
Post Reply