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From their official website:
ASCAP is a membership association of more than 350,000 U.S. composers, songwriters, lyricists, and music publishers of every kind of music. Through agreements with affiliated international societies, ASCAP also represents hundreds of thousands of music creators worldwide. ASCAP is the only U.S. performing rights organization created and controlled by composers, songwriters and music publishers, with a Board of Directors elected by and from the membership.

ASCAP protects the rights of its members by licensing and distributing royalties for the non-dramatic public performances of their copyrighted works. ASCAP's licensees encompass all who want to perform copyrighted music publicly. ASCAP makes giving and obtaining permission to perform music simple for both creators and users of music.
I've never seen this before, but here you can see the copyright and royalty information for all Sum 41 songs. I don't know how the site works but, I did hear that primary songwriters are listed in order...and for every song before Underclass Hero, Greig Nori is listed as the primary songwriter, with Deryck second. I'm not sure if that is how the site works but apparently Greig and Deryck co-wrote almost every song.

List of all Sum 41 songs (with some working titles)

Every song written or co-written by Deryck

And finally, every song by Greig Nori.

I'm not implying anything, but I thought that was an interesting find. Don't take my word for it, I doubt Deryck was secondhand in writing all of his own band's songs.
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Thanks!
I haven't seen alot of these.
I wonder how many songs Greg Nori actually wrote? Sum 41 needs him.
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they really screwed up a lot of titles...
but I know yesterday.com was legit, I just didn't know that was the original title for No Brains
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sumfan4 wrote:they really screwed up a lot of titles...
but I know yesterday.com was legit, I just didn't know that was the original title for No Brains
I don't think they screwed up the titles, I think the copyright is purchased even if the song is still with a working title. So, most of these are unfinished, unreleased, or re-titled songs.
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Ken wrote:
sumfan4 wrote:they really screwed up a lot of titles...
but I know yesterday.com was legit, I just didn't know that was the original title for No Brains
I don't think they screwed up the titles, I think the copyright is purchased even if the song is still with a working title. So, most of these are unfinished, unreleased, or re-titled songs.
Pla, for example.
But how can the title of a song have a copyright? Songs have the same title all the time!
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Jake-41 wrote:
Ken wrote:
sumfan4 wrote:they really screwed up a lot of titles...
but I know yesterday.com was legit, I just didn't know that was the original title for No Brains
I don't think they screwed up the titles, I think the copyright is purchased even if the song is still with a working title. So, most of these are unfinished, unreleased, or re-titled songs.
Pla, for example.
But how can the title of a song have a copyright? Songs have the same title all the time!

Pla could be anything.

...I can't really tell if you're joking or not.

There are two types of music copyright I'm pretty sure, copyright usage and sheet music copyright. None of these songs are sheet music copyright, but this copyrights use in commercials and such. If a company used a Sum 41 song in a commercial for example, EMI (one of the branch companies Sum 41 are signed to) would be allowed to sue, as its a copyright infringement. However, unless Sum 41 has copyrighted the sheet music to their songs, EMI can't sue a band for example that rips off one of their songs.

So...obviously...even if songs can share a same song title...they're clearly not the same song, so a different copyright would be used...
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Ken wrote:
Jake-41 wrote:
Ken wrote:
sumfan4 wrote:they really screwed up a lot of titles...
but I know yesterday.com was legit, I just didn't know that was the original title for No Brains
I don't think they screwed up the titles, I think the copyright is purchased even if the song is still with a working title. So, most of these are unfinished, unreleased, or re-titled songs.
Pla, for example.
But how can the title of a song have a copyright? Songs have the same title all the time!

Pla could be anything.

...I can't really tell if you're joking or not.

There are two types of music copyright I'm pretty sure, copyright usage and sheet music copyright. None of these songs are sheet music copyright, but this copyrights use in commercials and such. If a company used a Sum 41 song in a commercial for example, EMI (one of the branch companies Sum 41 are signed to) would be allowed to sue, as its a copyright infringement. However, unless Sum 41 has copyrighted the sheet music to their songs, EMI can't sue a band for example that rips off one of their songs.

So...obviously...even if songs can share a same song title...they're clearly not the same song, so a different copyright would be used...
So why copyright a working title?... If it's not a song it can't be used in commercials and such, of course.
So there's no point.
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Jake-41 wrote: So why copyright a working title?... If it's not a song it can't be used in commercials and such, of course.
So there's no point.
AGAIN, THE LITERAL TITLE IS NOT COPYRIGHTED, THE SONG ITSELF IS COPYRIGHTED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

Almost always, bands will copyright their entire album when production has ended and post-production (album cover, final song titles, promotion) is finished. However, some do it before song titles , album titles, aren;t decided yet. So, songs with working song titles will be copyrighted. In the music bussiness, the name of the song doesn't MATTER, as evidenced by bands releasing songs with varying titles (for example The Kill by 30 Seconds to Mars was re-released as The Kill [Bury Me]).

I highly doubt you are understanding this concept.
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Yah, now i understand.
Bands copyright song's before thier released. Got'cha.



I feel dumb. And as an education enthusiast, that's not a good thing.
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Jake-41 wrote:Yah, now i understand.
Bands copyright song's before thier released. Got'cha.



I feel dumb. And as an education enthusiast, that's not a good thing.
Hahaha, don't worry about it buddy. Hope I explained it well enough.
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I understand too!
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